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Categorization and naming conventions for Regional listings

When categorizing listings within the Regional category, we are trying to maintain uniformity. We have adopted the follow naming conventions:

  • City names should include the 2 letter state or province name. Example: Los Angeles CA (no punctuation)
  • State or province names should include the 2 letter country codes (ISO list below). Example: California US (no punctuation)

Here are links to listings with 2 letter code references:

  1. USPS.com 2 letter US State codes
  2. 2 letter ISO country codes
  3. Canada Post 2 letter Province codes

Discussion

Let's do cities with the states or countries included, so there is no confusion, like "San Jose California" and "Tuscaloosa Alabama". I'd like to avoid commas, since they're ugly in urls.. whatcha think? I think then for states, we'd use the country too: "California USA".

I think this is necessary to avoid ambiguity between locations. Any other opinions or ideas? --Aerik Sylvan 19:09, 5 Apr 2005 (PDT)

Cities, Countries and States, ideas for consistent naming

I think countries and regions (like "North America" and "Europe") are probably fine on their own, but that cities, states, and provinces need to be show the next higher level in their name, to be non-ambiguous. For example, there is the state of Georgia, but I think also a country called "Georgia", so the country would be plain, but the state would be "Georgia USA" or similar. Please see what you think of my comments above - "Georgia, USA" looks more intuitive, but commas make messy urls... what do you think?--Aerik Sylvan 02:12, 7 Apr 2005 (PDT)

There's going to be a conflict eventually with the category which I just created for Ontario Canada, as Ontario California should be entered the same way. How should we resolve conflicts like this? -Jean 19:47, 7 Apr 2006 (MDT)
Ouch... All I can think of is that we're going to have to be more verbose. I think it would be preferable to use a long form for states and provinces in countries, and abbreviate for cities (since there will potenitally be more cities in a state or province), but I'm not sure. You got any ideas? I'm working on a wikibot I could probably have do the updates, although if we already have ambiguous pages, it will update them incorrectly... The only other thing I can think of is to have disambiguation pages, then have the "correct" pages in some other non standard form... Ugh. --Aerik Sylvan 10:13, 8 Apr 2006 (MDT)
I think using the long form for states and provinces in countries will eliminate most of the conflicts. It should eliminate all of them for the US and Canada, since there aren't any states and provinces with the same abbreviation. But there are quite a few conflicts with country codes and US state codes, and we haven't been using state/province subcategories in all countries. (Some countries might not even have states or provinces.) That might cause a few conflicts down the road. But not too many? -Jean 14:31, 9 Apr 2006 (MDT)
AL = ALBANIA, ALABAMA
AR = ARGENTINA, ARKANSAS
AZ = AZERBAIJAN, ARIZONA
CA = CANADA, CALIFORNIA
CO = COLOMBIA, COLORADO
DE = GERMANY, DELAWARE
GA = GABON, GEORGIA
ID = INDONESIA, IDAHO
IL = ISRAEL, ILLINOIS
IN = INDIA, INDIANA
KY = CAYMAN ISLANDS, KENTUCKY
MA = MOROCCO, MASSACHUSETTS
MN = MONGOLIA, MINNESOTA
MO = MACAO, MISSOURI
MS = MONTSERRAT, MISSISSIPPI
MT = MALTA, MONTANA
NC = NEW CALEDONIA, NORTH CAROLINA
NE = NIGER, NEBRASKA
PA = PANAMA, PENNSYLVANIA
TR = TURKEY, TURKEY
SD = SUDAN, SOUTH DAKOTA
VA = HOLY SEE (VATICAN CITY STATE), VIRGINIA

I'm having problems with moving existing categories to change names

I agree with this new naming convention. I think we should use the standard 2 letter designation for states and provinces. We might need to post a link or chart of the 2 letter codes for reference.

I tried to modify an existing listing for "Tuscaloosa". Here is what I tried to do:

  1. Rename the existing "Tuscaloosa" page to "Tuscaloosa AL" via the "move" command. When I try, it returns this error: "Error: could not submit form" & "This action cannot be performed on this page." I also tried to move it to "Tuscaloosa_AL" in case it needed the underscore. I will try some other things and report back.
  2. Re-categorized the Christchurch listing to "Tuscaloosa AL" so the "Tuscaloosa" sub-cat would be empty and then tried to move to rename and it returned same errors.
  3. Built a new hierarchy for the "extended" City State" and "State Country" naming convention from Christchurch up to United States. This seems to be the way to go for now until I hear from Aerik. If this is the way to do this, do we just delete the old ones (along with any talk pages)?
  4. Added USPS.com page and link to 2 letter US State codes.
  5. Added 2 letter ISO country codes.
  6. Added Canada Post 2 letter Province codes

Question: Aerik, I know you told me how to Make a link open in a new window, but I can't find it. Please tell me where it is or just tell me again. Also, how do I make that USPS listing link without using the external URL path?

--webseo 07:51, 7 Apr 2005 (PDT)

Limitation of the software: you can't "move" categories...

Sorry, guess I should've mentioned that. I don't know why (I haven't dug into the code) but that's what I've read and it appears to be true... So we'll have to manually copy the wikitext and build the new hierarchy.

Added by webseo: You can move talk pages under categories to a newly created category (didn't try it to a new (not already created) category).

Added: Hmm... sorry again, I *thought* you could use an external link to pop a new window, but apparently not. It would be like <a target="new" href="http:whatever">link</a> but I see that doesn't work, it just automagically gets the http part. If you want, I can do a set of <popwindow> tags to do it. Not sure how difficult that would be, as I'd hae to extract the url and check it against the whitelist...

Added by webseo: I would like to be able to do this, but it's not a biggie. Put in on the list. How did you do it in the source of the page? Like when I asked to make "Add an entry" open like "Editing Help"?

Added still later: What do you think about cities in other countries? I'm unfamiliar with how to categorize them. Say, "Paris France" instead of "Paris TX"? Or use the country codes (I think France is FR, but I know some of them are non-intuitive for English speakers) - that'd be (I think) "Paris FR".

Added by webseo: I will have to research the naming conventions of foreign countries. I believe there is a standard 2 letter code for all countries (used in the domain.tld ie: .uk) I just found out the United Kingdom is GB (per ISO standard)

--Aerik Sylvan 08:14, 7 Apr 2005 (PDT)

Re request for code to open things in new windows.

I'm not entirely sure about the context of the request, but please don't automagically open things in new windows. It takes away control by the user (and is very annoying), and will be doubly annoying if some things within the wiki use it and some don't at the whim of the author of an entry. Consistency and predictability are key elements of usability. A decent browserTM ;-) already gives the user the control of whether to open things in the same window, a new tab, or a new window, as they prefer. --Wikikiwi 22:55, 29 Oct 2006 (MST)